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Kevin
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Lonely are the Brave - Goldsmith
Norma Rae - Shire
Hard Contract - North
The Right Stuff - COnti
posted 06-29-2009 01:20 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Ugh. "Brave" and "Stuff" are tempting...but money...ya know?!I'm sure these will not sell out over night. The other two will.
--Brian
posted 06-29-2009 01:38 AM PT (US) 
Stargate

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Brian,Be a sport..use a credit card!

posted 06-29-2009 07:25 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Lonely Are The Brave will sell out instantly, guaranteed. I'm sure The Right Stuff will, as well. Not so sure about Hard Contract or Norma Rae, but seeing as it is Shire and North, they'll probably not be around for long either.
posted 06-29-2009 07:57 AM PT (US) 
Al

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Big news! I hadn't even heard of the North until now. Was it even mentioned in his biography? I think that one will go soon. This a superb batch at any rate. A major Goldsmith and iconic Conti. Thumbs up to Varese.
posted 06-29-2009 08:31 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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I am excited with the news. Right Stuff a long time coming, but this North score brings about some old-school collector thrills... like "What the heck is this?!! Never heard of it, and can't wait to hear it!!"Happy summer!
posted 06-29-2009 10:28 AM PT (US) 
sdtom
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I too am intrigued with the North
posted 06-29-2009 10:50 AM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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The Goldsmith is very tempting but my money is very tight as it is for July. I'm afraid I'm going to have to pass on this batch.
posted 06-29-2009 11:00 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Chris,I use it plenty...that's my problem

--Bri
posted 06-29-2009 01:11 PM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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Wish it'd been Gremlins and Inner Space among the listed.
posted 06-29-2009 01:40 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by Widescreen:
Wish it'd been Gremlins and Inner Space among the listed.They'll just keep stringing us along, Chris! And we'll be strung along, happily. Any new Goldsmith is better than nothing. I'm sure Gremlins, Innerspace, Explorers, etc. will see expanded, shiny releases at some point.
Lonely Are The Brave is an excellent album to release, though.
posted 06-29-2009 03:08 PM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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Any Goldsmith is better than none, for sure. I actually have Explorers on CD, so I'm not as in deep a need of that one as Gremlins, which I never truly owned, or Inner Space which I could've owned but missed as I was less aware of it at the time.However... I have a hunch that FSM might be doing Gremlins later, based on something I read at their message boards...
...but I've been wrong before.
[Message edited by Widescreen on 06-29-2009]
posted 06-29-2009 03:53 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Hard Contract is down to less than 40 at Varese. No surprise.
posted 06-29-2009 04:48 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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Hard Contract is sold out.
posted 06-29-2009 11:11 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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They didnt do enough Hard Contract. So they vanished quick. J.
posted 07-09-2009 09:12 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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Mine arrived in the mail today (Right Stuff and Lonely are the Brave). Currently listening to The Right Stuff and thinking of flight, astronauts, and Walter Cronkite. Godspeed to all - past, present & future. - *NP: The Right Stuff
* - funny, I just said this on Twitter.

posted 07-17-2009 08:42 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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I have to say I was pretty disappointed by lonely are the brave- the goldsmith western sound just doesn't do it for me...like WILD ROVERS, there was only a few tracks I loved and the rest kind of boring/mellow--not that I necessarily dislike mellow music....
posted 07-18-2009 03:49 PM PT (US) 
sdtom
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http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/hard-contractnorth/Even though it sold out quickly I'm still a North fan so I reviewed it anyway.
posted 08-06-2009 09:27 PM PT (US) 
Al

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I disagree with your review and rating of two stars. While it may be a lesser score compared to North's larger scores, Hard Contract is a real pleasure just as an album.I can understand how you don't recommend it for the "average soundtrack listener," although I'm not even sure who the average soundtrack listener is and what soundtracks he listens to that makes him average, but I'm having trouble figuring out your reasoning for giving it two stars, as it is quite a short review (about a paragraph detailing the music itself), which is fine if you're unexcited by the score, except that you go on here and the FSM board trying to direct people to read the review, while you contribute even less in terms of discussion on the board itself.
You end your review by saying: "There is just not enough additional music to justify the purchase price other than the outstanding main theme." What additional music would you like? That's a pretty broad statement. I understand the stereo cues are fairly brief, but the mono presentation I feel does add some considerable depth with almost fifteen added minutes of music.
And as for that outstanding main theme, you noted: "While Hard Contract is not a monothematic score there is quite an emphasis on these (sic) theme." So I'm not sure if you don't care for the fact that the theme is dominant in the score, although that would make sense it being the main theme, or if you felt there was just too little variation in it, although you stated that: "You will hear this theme in different arrangements such as muted trumpet, guitar, flute, and other combinations."
As for myself, I think this is a reasonably substantial score in terms of content and length, although North has done equally brilliant work in even shorter form for Under The Volcano. At any rate, I think there's a little more going on in this score than you seem to give it credit for, at least judging by your brief review of the music proper.
posted 08-06-2009 10:55 PM PT (US) 
sdtom
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I think you have to assume that the average soundtrack listener can't afford to buy everything. I did say that the people who are fans of Alex North (this includes me) already bought it. That being said if you took away the duplicate material offered in both stereo and mono how much is left and is it worth the price? Believe me if I could afford to I would buy a lot more than what I do these days. Given the fact that it is probably sold out now the price to obtain one could be even a bit steeper. This limited edition stuff is well I guess best left unsaid as I've gotten into trouble before.I'm glad you responded because I love to talk about film music especially the older material.
For your information I actually had to start a thread on Maintitles for Alex North as they didn't even have one. Such a shame for such a talent. I think he had 15 Oscar nominations.
Thomas
posted 08-07-2009 05:34 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Honestly, I hadn't heard of this Maintitles site until you mentioned it, so I don't know that it's a shame that a thread about North hadn't been posted on it yet or not, and while North probably wouldn't have cared one way or another, I do agree with your sentiment that the more discussion about North the better.As for that thread you started, this was the entirety of your first post:
"Since I've now gone on to doing a review of the 1969 film Hard Contract, I decided that Mr. North should have his own thread at the very least."
To be honest, I'd fully expected you to put another link to your review there, but I then saw that wasn't necessary as it was featured on the Maintitles website itself.
I'm not trying to discourage you from writing reviews, especially since you are interested in older material, but for all the effort you seem to have put into promoting this one review, the review itself is pretty bare bones.
And I'm not saying that because you initially gave it a low score and I disagree with it--although your score on the site now shows three stars, which I think is more apt--but what makes it generic to me is that there is little discussion of the music itself in comparison to stating general info about the composer, the film, and the fact that half is in stereo and half is in mono.
In fact I counted the sentences in which you talk about the music on some of the tracks. There were seven. And while they aren't bad at describing the content of the few tracks you mention, they don't say anything about what you did or did not enjoy about them. You say the main theme is outstanding. How so? What about the material that doesn't focus on the main theme. Does it bore you? How so? Details, man!
If you think Alex North deserves this discussion, then by all means, discuss it, but if you're serious about doing these reviews, don't gloss over the music and then go out to all the film music boards linking to your review.
Finally, in your above post you say the following:
"If you took away the duplicate material offered in both stereo and mono how much is left and is it worth the price?"
Again, it strikes me as odd that you went to the trouble of writing the review, but not doing the math yourself. There's over thirty minutes of score in the mono portion, in which the score is most fully presented, and if you add the source cue and the main title demo from the stereo portion you have almost forty minutes. So either way, whether you look at it as over thirty minutes or almost forty, it's well within a normal album range.
But again, it's the quality of what's there that should matter, both in a soundtrack album and a soundtrack review, and if you want to be a serious reviewer, one worth promoting his own writing, you should be considering that more than just how much is there.
[Message edited by Al on 08-08-2009]
posted 08-07-2009 08:53 PM PT (US) 
sdtom
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I don't think you knew that I survived a major stroke and whatever I'm able to do is a blessing. When I started the journey of recovery I had to be taught how to shave and brush my teeth as an example. My wife of 22 years left because she could no longer handle the effects of what happened to my brain. I'm grateful that today I can function in an apartment without being in assisted living. Part of my rehab therapy was to set up a blog and write about something so I chose film and classical music. I'm not paid nor do I accept any advertising. Companies such as Intrada and Varese politely told me that if I wanted to review their material I would have to buy it just like everyone else, something which is difficult for me to do on what I receive from disability. Other companies such as FSM, Tribute, and Naxos have been helpful from time to time. Lukas and Craig have been kind to me and I appreciate their efforts. Peter, Robert Townson, Roger and Douglass, Mark B., and others haven't.As far as Hard Contract was concerned I listened to it several times as well as sitting down and watching the film with the purpose of listening for the music. I also read about 20 or so pages about North on ebook google. There was a biography written about him. The key point, in my opinion, was this. "I would assume that most of the Alex North fans have already gotten their copy and are enjoying the music." I try very hard to write my reviews in such a way that a reader who knows nothing will be a little informed. The review was not necessarily written for the informed. Few outside the circle of soundtrack listener's have heard of him unless you mention he wrote "Unchained Melody." If your budget permits buy all four of the Varese releases. If you can afford one I'd vote for the Goldsmith "Lonely are the Brave" if you didn't own the older Delphi release.
Perhaps this will give you a little better understanding of me. I really have come a long way in three years and 241 reviews. Again thank you for taking the time to respond. Constructive criticism is always good.
Thomasposted 08-08-2009 09:15 AM PT (US) 
Al

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Tom, I had no idea. I'm very sorry if I came across as insensitive, but I'm glad that you remarked that my criticism was meant to be constructive, as that is certainly what I intended. Regardless I wish you the best of luck.
posted 08-08-2009 10:12 AM PT (US) 
sdtom
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I think Al that you'll find a very positive review of Lonely Are The Brave.
Thomas
posted 08-09-2009 03:05 PM PT (US) 
sdtom
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I passed on Norma Rae and Right Stuff.
Thomas
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