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H Rocco
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From today's Internet Movie Database newsbrief:>>>> Richard Zanuck, who was 20th Century-Fox's production chief when the studio made the original PLANET OF THE APES in 1968, has been chosen to produce a remake of the film, trade reports said today (Tuesday). Stan Winston who created the ape masks and special effects for the original, will be able to display the advances in makeup techniques when he reprises for the new film. Shooting is expected to begin in the fall. Tim Burton has been set to direct. <<<<
One egregious error in this: Stan Winston certainly did not "create" anything on the original APES -- he would have been all of twenty-one at the time, and he didn't get started in the industry until GARGOYLES in 1972. The ape work was principally done by John Chambers and Dan Striepeke, with uncredited assist by Fuminori Ohashi (who also helped design and build the original Godzilla suit and -- even before that -- worked on some of the original rides at Disneyland. Not to mention a nearly unknown 1934 Japanese picture called KING KONG APPEARS IN EDO. I kid you not. His specialty was latex.)
So it'll be Tim Burton after all ...
Comments?
posted 03-21-2000 12:45 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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In the immortal words of Old Man Wrigley, I hope they "double your pleasure, double your fun" with another Goldsmith score. But this time, I hope Jerry eschews the sound-effects experimentalism in favor of a normal everyday score.Gird your loins for an obligatory cameo appearance by Chuck Heston in a monkey-suit.
[This message has been edited by Luscious Lazlo (edited 21 March 2000).]
posted 03-21-2000 01:16 PM PT (US) 
DjC

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So who will play Heston's part? That is Heston's most memarable role in my opinion, so who in the world can play over the one and only, mortal demi-god, Heston? Heston ruled in that movie, any word on who yet?
posted 03-21-2000 01:24 PM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

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I could go on and on about remakes, but better writers than I have done it.It seems to me there are so many good stories that haven't been told that could be told, if people didn't waste so much money telling the same story again.
(Sarcastically) Whoopee.
Marc
posted 03-21-2000 01:26 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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At least it ain't gonna say "Directed by Joel Schumacher" in the credits.
posted 03-21-2000 01:32 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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I totally agree with Marc Flake. Hollywood's remake fetishism strikes me as being another form of showbiz self-congratulation. It's Hollywood's way of saying: "We're so frigging full of ourselves, we'd rather sit on our laurels and repeat ourselves ad nauseum."
posted 03-21-2000 01:36 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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I guess this day had to come. The question is WHY? Everything about the original is fine and I doubt that they will improve on it. Tim Burton is a brilliant visionary but his story telling prowess leaves something to be desired. We can count on some twisted and fantastic images and sets (But what will Burton do without a castle in this movie... what the hey, almost EVERY Burton movie must have a castle). Danny Elfman, the contract is on it's way to your house as we speak.
posted 03-21-2000 01:47 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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We had a similar discussion at FSM a while ago. I personally think Heston should play Dr. Zaius. THAT would be cool. (I think Kinsinger and I wrote and posted the same idea at the same time.)BUT -- we don't even know if this IS a straight remake. I tend to doubt it. A lot of the scripts that have already come and gone on this project were NOTHING like the original -- which I think is probably the way to go. And does anybody really believe Burton has any interest at all in making a straight remake? More likely it'll be a nervous, confused Johnny Depp among the monkeys.
Music: You can bet it'll be Elfman, but as I also suggested before, if I were Burton -- depending on how close to the original picture the remake will be -- I'd use Goldsmith's ORIGINAL score and redeploy it accordingly. Elfman already did such a job on PSYCHO, so ...
(and I somehow doubt Goldsmith would be interested in scoring a remake of something he already did)
NP: THE BAD SLEEP WELL (Masaru Sato)
posted 03-21-2000 01:47 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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"there are so many good stories that haven't
been told that could be told, if people didn't waste so much money telling the same story again."True!
And one of those good stories is a little number by Pierre Boulle, called "Monkey Planet". That's a story that hasn't been told yet! There were so many alterations and revisions in Fox's "Planet Of The Apes" that it just barely resembles the book.
I don't understand what everyone's so anxious about...it's not like they're going to take the original away from us!"The question is WHY?"
You have to ask?
Fox has made gadzillions of dollars on this franchise since 1968, and continues to this day. The new film will start another entire series, providing it's good enough to earn a profit.
I'm all for a brand new Goldsmith "Apes" score, and I want Heston as Zaius!
posted 03-21-2000 03:42 PM PT (US) 
robin4

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I was heard that Arnold was going to play Heston's role, but I doubt it now.
posted 03-21-2000 04:43 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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If it's Not a straight REMAKE, then this could be interesting, otherwise I'm with Marc and Luscious!
Would Goldsmith REALLY want to re-tread this ground??...I hope not!
let someone else take the flack for being compared to the original MASTERFUL score.NP : BRITTEN - Four Sea Interludes
posted 03-21-2000 05:02 PM PT (US) 
Cole

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you know, a brand new Apes score by Goldsmith might be nice. But are you you people fooling yourselves? Goldsmith will never even get the opportunity to turn it down. Burton=Elfman just like Speilberg=Williams
NP - Magnolia (and ummm... yes I did just here TRL)
posted 03-21-2000 05:03 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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Oh... great! Another colaboration between Pee-Wee Herrman alter ego and the "Funfa-King"...Just what we needed!!!
posted 03-21-2000 07:24 PM PT (US) 
Thor

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Judging by Elfman´s recent shift of style, we could definitely expect something a la the original PLANET score by Goldsmith, i.e. just as innovative, but perhaps not so "dynamic" as the original, with a stronger emphasis on contrapuntal writing.
posted 03-22-2000 02:08 AM PT (US) 
SBD
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GET YOUR STINKING REMAKES OUTTA HERE, YOU DAMN DIRTY APE!!!!
posted 03-22-2000 06:38 AM PT (US) 
DANIEL2
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PLANET OF THE APES (1968) was a fine movie, with an excellent Goldsmith score.The Tim Burton version will probably be a fine movie, with an excellent score from Elfman....probably.
I expect the two films will share some similarities, but also have many differences…..that is my hope.
posted 03-22-2000 10:23 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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Jerry Goldsmith has never written a better, more powerful score than PLANET OF THE APES; it's a score that has aged extremely well as a film score, and it never fails to grip me when I listen to on its own. It is one of the best twelve film scores ever written in my book. And even though I still like Goldsmith's music a whole lot, he hasn't written anything this mesmerizing in a long time. (But then who has?)Having said that, I doubt that whoever will be composing the new POTA will be able to achieve another milestone score (such scores come only once in a while), BUT if there is a director who can make an Apes remake interesting, it is Tim Burton. I'm looking forward to that, especially because I expect this apes movie to be really quite different from the original movie (which is a semi classic motion picture).
posted 03-22-2000 10:57 AM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

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If it's not a remake, then it's a sequel. And how many sequels are there already with the words "Planet of the Apes" in the title?I don't know, I stopped watching them after the third sequel.
Marc
NP: Galaxy Questposted 03-22-2000 11:04 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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Oh, yes, one more thing: if Burton is to direct PLANET OF THE APES, perhaps it will stick closer to Pierre Boulle's novel, which is actually a grotesque and humerous satire, not at all serious the way Schaffner's movie turned out to be, and as such perhaps more up Burton's alley? (There is a hilarious scene in the book where thousands of monkeys are in a speculating frenzy at the ape's planet equivalent of wall street... now that sounds like Burton to me).NP: James Horner KRULL
Performed by the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by James Horner (STCE)[This message has been edited by Nicolai P. Zwar (edited 22 March 2000).]
posted 03-22-2000 11:06 AM PT (US) 
SPOR2
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Nicolai: apes are not monkeys!
posted 03-22-2000 03:21 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I can't wait to see the production design! The ape cars will be so cool!posted 03-22-2000 06:15 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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"Please do NOT use the term MONKEY! It is EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE to us!" (Cornelius blows up at an interrogator in ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES -- next time he hears the word "monkey" leads to worse consequences ... )Christopher, have you peeked at any of the on-line remake-scripts? I've only seen a snippet or two myself -- and who knows what Burton's final version will look like -- but ten to one he's going to go in the direction of Boulle. Rod Serling's original script was a mirror of Boulle's novel; that's why Michael G. Wilson was brought in, to bring the ideas down to a budgetable level. With the money that Burton can command, we WILL see the Ape City that Boulle pictured -- if Burton wants us to, and I think he will.
NP: STAR TREK - TMP (I've heard this same fellow was considered for at least one of the APES movies, but I can't remember which -- has he had a career otherwise?)
posted 03-22-2000 06:34 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Rocco, old pal, outside of what YOU have told me, I know nothing about this new film, and I really don't want to know very much.
When I go to the movies, I'm like a little kid version of myself...I LOVE surprises.
ANYBODY who surprises me gets a good review!
So...I haven't peeked at any of the online scripts. I wouldn't even know how to find them.
I truly hope that this new APES film (the only reason I EVER use the word "Monkey" is because Pierre Boulle's novel is called "Monkey Planet"...maybe the monkeys resent the word ape?) will use Boulle's novel as its source. I WANT to see apes on Wall Street, apes in cars, apes in "Manhattan"...I hope that Burton has the balls to hire Syd Mead to design all of the ape appliances. Really...what would an ape housewife's dishwasher look like? Syd Mead knows! I am very excited about this project, and yet I will always reserve a special place in my (very large) heart for the original film series.
What can I say?
I'm an APE at heart!
(you won't believe this, but...)
NP: "Star Trek TMP" expanded, by Mr. Goldfarb[This message has been edited by Chris Kinsinger (edited 22 March 2000).]
posted 03-22-2000 09:28 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I think if Burton follows Boulle’s novel, we’ll see that his Planet
of the Apes will be a far different movie from the original.
Maybe it’s a good idea, maybe not. I run hot and cold
on Burton’s movies.How about some really crazy remakes? We could do
a new 90’s painting of the Mona Lisa complete with
chicklet gleaming teeth and 90’s cleavage.Let’s remake Gone With The Wind with a score by
Christopher Young. He mentioned that Steiner wrote
scores for 300 films but is only remembered by the general
public for the 16 tuneful measures from GWTW. And Young
wants to write another memorable 16 measures. Now who
could play Scarlett and Rhett?Best yet, why not go for a 2001 Wizard of Oz, with score and
lyrics by Trey Parker and Marc Shaiman.
posted 03-22-2000 11:21 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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NOW NOT PLAYING: "Star Tripe: The Motion Picture" by Jerry Tripesmith.I'll never understand what anybody else hears in that score. I almost dropped dead from profound boredom while I was listening to it. I'll concede that Ilia's Theme is semi-interesting. But there's nothing else. And I truly detest the Main Title theme. It's a banal heroic fanfare in the style of latter-day Williams. Jerry truly Dared To Be Dull with this piece-of-crap score.
posted 03-23-2000 06:48 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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Spor2: Biologically, you are of course absolutely correct. I am fully aware of the differences between apes and monkeys. However, the word "monkey" seemed way more fitting, because there is a rascally quality to the word "monkey" that's - I'm afraid - missing in the word "ape".I apologize to any bypassing or lurking apes and monkeys I may have unwillingly offended with my admittedly somewhat speciesist remarks.
NP: Sergei Prokofiev: Romeo and Juliet
Chicago Symphony Orchestra/Georg Solti (Decca/London)posted 03-23-2000 07:48 AM PT (US) 
SBD
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I didn't say that to be funny. I was dead serious!NP - Antz ("The Big Shoe")
posted 03-23-2000 08:06 AM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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Uh, Luscious. That Star Trek comment goes in that other thread. We're talking about something else here.
posted 03-23-2000 08:50 AM PT (US) 
Howard L
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There is a sci-fi parallel to this Apes-remake business in The Thing retread: closer to author Campbell's "Who Goes There", true, but nothing compared to the original production, memorable Tiomkin score included. The performance remains 'the thing'.
posted 03-23-2000 09:40 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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You're right, Howard...and I love both versions of "The Thing". But my favorite is still the original.Joan, howzabout we remake "Cool Hand Luke" starring Keanu Reeves?

NP: "Star Trek TMP" Just to annoy Luscious, because he is soooooo wrong about this one!
posted 03-23-2000 09:58 AM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Chris, K. Reeves as Luke?Now you're talking heresy AND sacrilege!!

posted 03-23-2000 10:07 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I know where YOUR goat is tied!!!
posted 03-23-2000 10:20 AM PT (US) 
DANIEL2
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Luscious Lazlo. (re - STAR TREK : TMP)Whilst I concede the main theme is bombastic (necessarily and appropriately), and interest does pall after repeated listenings, the rest of the score, to me, represents Goldsmith’s finest achievement.
Indeed, I would place this score within my favourite 100 film scores of all time…..despite the disappointing nature of the movie itself, and my general disinterest in the STAR TREK universe.
To me, there is so much GOOD music in this score…..
[This message has been edited by DANIEL2 (edited 23 March 2000).]
posted 03-23-2000 10:53 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Claiming to be a filmscore fan and not being able to get into STTMP -- that's a real head-scratcher to me. I've found so many people who DON'T normally like film music, and can get into this one (the Beam music in particular, I think, though the evocative string writing pulls them in subliminally -- "The Cloud" and "The Meld" are good examples.)
posted 03-23-2000 11:01 AM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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You know... the more you cool guys who appears to know everything about anything talks about what this new soon-to-be-made remake of "Planet of the Apes" the more it looks like it will be a real turkey...As for Mr. Laszo comments about "Star Trek - TMP"...
LOL!!!

posted 03-23-2000 12:30 PM PT (US) 
mlw
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pic looks fine by me. not that he has anything to do with it, but Mr. Depp is total punk of the old-school, would jam in a Sam Shepherd play as another of Shepherd's hardass alcoholic son-character's.
posted 03-23-2000 01:34 PM PT (US) 
Bulldog
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Jerry Goldsmith's STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE theme is and always will be for me the personification of the film music theme. It is so grand, robust, textured, and blisteringly majestic.No theme has quite the same "ooomph" to it (just seven notes for the full effect--go find that somewhere else). I won't blatently resort to comparing/contrasting to make it look better.
It is not necessary.
Although I actually think I have more fun listening to Goldsmith's SUPERGIRL anthem, the theme that has come to represent man's search for the heavens...and all that is noble and sometimes beyond him--Jerry Goldsmith's STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE march--is in a league all by itself.
posted 03-23-2000 01:38 PM PT (US) 
oobleck

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quote:
Originally posted by joan hue:
Let’s remake Gone With The Wind with a score by
Christopher Young. He mentioned that Steiner wrote
scores for 300 films but is only remembered by the general
public for the 16 tuneful measures from GWTW. And Young
wants to write another memorable 16 measures. Now who
could play Scarlett and Rhett?Best yet, why not go for a 2001 Wizard of Oz, with score and
lyrics by Trey Parker and Marc Shaiman.
Or how about a remake of BEDAZZLED starring Brendan Fraser and Elizabeth Hurley?
THHHHPPPPFFFFT
posted 03-23-2000 09:20 PM PT (US) 
The New Film Score Sounds
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Actually, Wizard Of Oz remake might happen. I read somewhere awhile back with a director. I think the one who directed the remake of Thomas Crown Affair that he was handed a list of movies at MGM that they wanted to remake. He did not mention anything about Gone With The Wind but he did say that the Wizard Of Oz was on the list and that the script was already done for the updated version. Now that sounds like a Burton/Elfman movie right there.
I had a idea for a tv show to movie for Gillign's Island with my cast in mind.
Gilligan - Jim carrey
Skipper - John Goodman
Professor - Bruce campbell (He's the man)
Ginger - Geena davis
Mary Ann - sandra Bullock
Mr. Howell - Anthony Hopkins
Mrs. Howell - Mary Tylor Moore ( I don't know about her though, I could never find the right person)
Who would you cast?
posted 03-24-2000 01:07 AM PT (US) 
SBD
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TNFSS - So you saw that hilarious episode of "Roseanne" too, I presume?
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