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    Topic:   Battlefield:Earth

     Daniel J
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    The Flintstones was ten times the movie this was! What was Travolta thinking. He goes through all the trouble of reading Hubbards 1000 page book but then can't commit to reading a 100 page screenplay. If everyone wants a good laugh, read Roger Ebert's review of this film.

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    posted 05-13-2000 05:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Ebert's review describes a monumentally stupid movie. He is in agreement with our local critic, who said the same.
    I found Ebert's review at The Drudge Report (www.drudgereport.com). Click on Roger Ebert.

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    posted 05-13-2000 07:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Hope to see this one tomorrow. From the moment it was announced, it looked like such a cataclysm that I've actually been looking forward to it for quite a while. The Ebert review is hysterical, and I particularly liked this observation:

    "The director, Roger Christian, has learned from better films that directors sometimes tilt their cameras, but he has not learned why."

    Christian is a wretched and maddening director, who has the weirdest habit of picking odd angles for certain shots, and then HANGING ON THEM FOR AGES, WELL AFTER WE GOT THE POINT. There are sections of NOSTRADAMUS so inept, they are truly breathtaking. I don't understand why this man hasn't been busted down to television yet. (There are many directors in television who are easily superior to him.)

    There's am awesomely flattering profile on BATTLEFIELD EARTH's producer in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine that shamelessly sucks face with him -- the article's talented but loathsome author, Lynn Hirschberg, must be running scared in the wake of being dropped by Vanity Fair over her Seinfeld article, to produce such a relative puff piece. (Oh, the producer in the article isn't Travolta, although Travolta was one of the producers as well. I forget the guy's name.)

    NP: THE SUBMERSION OF JAPAN (Masaru Sato) (just the theme, most of the music is a snore)

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    posted 05-13-2000 08:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Hey, Rocco!
    I'm comin' right back HERE tomorrow night to read your review, OK?

    OK!

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    posted 05-13-2000 09:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Just got back from BATTLEFIELD EARTH. I enjoyed it. It's one of the more enjoyable sci-fi movies I'm seen in the last couple of years. Though I was expecting it to be more action-packed, I wasn't too disappointed. My only quabbles are: 1) the Psychlos were too human-like (but I suppose that's the way Hubbard created them); 2) there were just one too many split-screen transitions (those who saw it will know what I'm talking about); and 3) the film took a little too long to get going. Things started moving about 45-minutes in. But overall, I enjoyed it. And I was expecting it to be a hero captured/hero escapes/hero leads rebellion, but it instead was a hero captured/hero escapes/hero captured/hero escapes/hero captured/hero leads rebellion. Then again, perhaps that was quite unique. I can't think of another film where the hero leads the rebellion while still captured.

    The special effects were great, Barry Pepper's character was pretty good, and the actual rebellion was worth the build-up . . . and the build-up and the build-up and the build-up.

    All in all: 3.5/5

    Actually, the only bad thing I had to indure in this film was the trailer for THE X-MEN, which could quite possibly be the most over-blown movie of the year, and already the most over-blown movie since Lucas's little art house film from last year.

    August

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    posted 05-14-2000 01:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Hey Chase,
    I was quite suprised that you gave it a positive review. When you say that it is one of the best sci-fi movies of recent years, what are some of the other movies on that list.

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    posted 05-14-2000 04:19 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, I didn't necessarily say it was one of the best sci-fi flicks of recent years. I just said it was one of the most-enjoyable ones for me.

    Anyway, in no particular order, these are the sci-fi films of the past few years that I enjoyed:

    STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT
    STAR TREK: INSURRECTION (not great, but I still liked it)
    MARS ATTACKS! (okay, okay . . . guilty pleasure)
    SOLDIER (so sue me!)
    THE ARRIVAL
    GALAXY QUEST
    STAR TREK: THE WRATH OF KAHN (so it for the first time several months ago)

    On the low-budget, direct-to-video front:
    FUGITIVE MIND
    THE SILENCERS (1996, with Jack Scalia. One of the most ambitious low-budget movies ever made)

    Of the ten films, BATTLEFIELD EARTH would place at, perhaps . . . #7. FIRST CONTACT is the best sci-fi movie I've seen since the original STAR WARS (IMO).

    August

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    posted 05-14-2000 06:26 PM PT (US)     

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    BATTLEFIELD EARTH manages to be the worst and funniest film of the year so far, all in the same package. If Ed Wood had lived, and been given this kind of money, this is surely close to what he might have produced.

    I can't speak for the novel, which I haven't read, but I often got the impression there was a dense and captivating, if preposterous, story in there -- that didn't quite get made. I'd be curious to read the book now, actually. The finished movie is suggestive of so many different influences, including the PLANET OF THE APES movies, BLADE RUNNER (which I think Hubbard couldn't have seen when he was ready to publish it -- not sure of the timeline here), and Colin Wilson's "Spider World" novels. But the undercurrent is so individualistic, so psychologically unique (and we can rest assured that L. Ron Hubbard was probably at least slightly insane -- just try and read his "Fear," not to mention his precepts of Scientology), that there's clearly the germ of something amazing in here. A germ that got stamped out.

    Director Roger Christian knows he's making an action movie, so he doesn't hang on shots for quite as long as he prefers to do, but he DOES pick infuriating angles -- the whole movie looks like they forgot to prop the camera up, everything's at a peculiar angle, just like Ebert said. Additionally, the later special effects sequences with the airplanes -- both "training" and "live" -- were very nearly inducive of motion sickness. I haven't felt so groggy since the Godard version of BREATHLESS. And then there's Christian's deranged use of slow-motion, and his utter inability to film or edit an action scene. The last half hour of the film is almost completely incoherent, because it's all tussles and chases, things Christian has no clue as to how to make. I'll give him this: he is slightly better than Michael Bay. But he clearly thinks he's being "stylish," and he's not -- he doesn't even have the wherewithal to succeed at being pretentious.

    Elia Cmiral's score is huge and broadly written, and generously, loudly mixed into the final soundtrack as well. Not particularly tuneful, but I liked it, and might buy the album someday, though there are more important ones I still don't have.

    Lighting and design are phenomenally ugly. Christian's obviously shooting for a kind of BLADE RUNNER look, but he and his cameraman don't have the acumen -- either that, or Christian simply meant to copy certain shots from BLADE RUNNER, but obscure the lighting so much that no one would notice. (He goes so far as to quote Joanna Cassidy's death scene, crashing through the many panes of glass. To say that he lacks Ridley Scott's imagination and finesse is to understate the situation.) I wonder if this isn't the Curse of Patrick Tatopolous, the production and costume and creature designer, who also created the look of the recent awful GODZILLA (1998). Actually, in fairness, his work is better than the movie as a whole -- I kind of liked the looks of the aliens and certain of the sets.

    I laughed out loud at too many scenes throughout this movie to remember -- the incongruous dialogue, the ridiculous setups, but the whole debacle comes down to one man (other than Christian): John Travolta, whose villain performances have always been extremely affected and effete, but who manages to outdo himself here. If he were not a producer of the film, and Christian his hired gun, he would NEVER have been allowed to get away with what he does here. I haven't seen anything this eccentric in years, and it's not GOOD-eccentric, like your average Gary Oldman or Christopher Walken, or recent Brando. At the same time, I have to admit it was fascinating. Travolta, rescued as he was by Tarantino and PULP FICTION, will have to do some pretty serious jumping through some pretty major hoops to get anyone to take him seriously, ever again. But I'm not sure he cares. He already makes twenty million a picture (he graciously dropped down to five for BATTLEFIELD EARTH), he's going to go on being regarded as a major star probably for decades to come, but this marks the end of his being taken seriously as an actor. (He never really was an Actor anyway -- more of a Performer. And he can be a good one, I admired him in BROKEN ARROW -- a movie I otherwise hated -- and FACE/OFF. Both directed by John Woo, who would never have allowed him to camp like he does in BATTLEFIELD EARTH.)

    Forest Whitaker is one of the best actors in America, and it's faintly bizarre to see such a grounded performer playing second banana to the ridiculous Travolta -- they often seem to be in completely different movies. (I worried at an early scene when it appeared Whitaker was going to be dispatched -- there goes what spark this is going to have, I thought. I won't tell you what does happen with Whitaker, but it's ultimately one of the few satisfying things in the picture.)

    Barry Pepper turns out to be a credible action hero -- he looks amazingly like the young Tom Cruise from some angles -- and he handles his potentially absurd role with some aplomb. Between this, his vaguely psychotic sharpshooter in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, and his humane guard in THE GREEN MILE, he's shaping up to be quite a decent actor. No small range on this boy, so far.

    No one else in the cast really registers. Kim Coates is saddled with the thankless "chick" role; one of the movie's few saving graces is that it doesn't foist too much of her on us. Although she got from me one of the biggest (unintentional) laughs in the movie, when she tells Barry Pepper "I always KNEW this was your destiny!"

    Frankly, I thought BATTLEFIELD EARTH was so bad, I almost can't wait to see it again. I haven't howled like that in a LONG time. And I kept thinking of another recent SF movie that treaded an equally thin line, yet was clearly as much deliberate parody as pure action film: Paul Verhoeven's brilliant STARSHIP TROOPERS, which I watched again just last week. I never get tired of that one. And I think that if someone like Verhoeven or Woo had made BATTLEFIELD EARTH, and someone OTHER than Travolta had played Terl -- an excellent villain role, by the way, I thought he was potentially very interesting -- then I'd think it a masterpiece, or nearly one. The story seems to me so VERY strange and inventive that the right team could have made something really excellent out of it. Instead, they've made something ... damned peculiar.

    Look forward to others' thoughts.

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    posted 05-14-2000 08:10 PM PT (US)     

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    Not to nit-pick, but Kim Coates is actually the guy who plants the bombs on the top of the dome. He also played the wierdo that Kevin Costner runs into in WATERWORLD, who wants to trade for an hour with Jeanne Tripplehorn (and who wouldn't?).

    The girl was played by (I believe) Sabine Karsentt.

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    posted 05-14-2000 08:20 PM PT (US)     

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    oooooooops... well, I never heard of either actor, so ... my mistake.

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    posted 05-14-2000 08:22 PM PT (US)     

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    I just saw the trailer for this "Battlefield Earth" and it just looks prety ridiculous...

    I mean... a race of Bob Marleys invaded Earth and one of them is played by Tony Manero?

    Hahahahahaha.....

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    posted 05-14-2000 09:24 PM PT (US)     

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    Considering the condition Earth is supposed to be in by the year 3000, EVERYBODY has pretty amazing hair ... Barry Pepper's character alone must've spent all those hours in jail just working on his braiding ... and you'll be comforted to know that humans as well as aliens STILL sometimes sport dreadlocks. Never mind those lunatic beard growths the Psychlons are stuck with. If I had to wear those for more than ten minutes, I'd get so irritated that I'd want to be tying them into knots that would make an Eagle Scout envious.

    I was struck throughout the picture not just how stupid IT was, but how stupid the aliens THEMSELVES are. How'd they ever MANAGE to take over the world? Jeez.

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    posted 05-14-2000 09:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Perhaps they will explain that in Part 2, which is already in the works.

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    posted 05-14-2000 10:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks for the review, Roc.
    When they were hyping this pic on Entertainment Tonight, they showed clips of Travolta's wife, who plays an alien woman with a foot-long tongue.

    Is that the female you're talking about?

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    posted 05-15-2000 09:11 AM PT (US)     

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    No, I kind of liked her, it was one of the few intentionally funny bits. Kelly Preston, as they say in the biz, "appears unbilled."

    I was just thinking today how Travolta's performance compares with another extremely mannered performance of an alien: Enrico Colantoni (sp.?) in GALAXY QUEST. But that was SUPPOSED to be a comedy.

    I should also add that the (spoiler? I suppose, but what does anyone EXPECT's going to happen at the end) -- the partial explosion and collapse of the Dome at the end is absolutely spectacular, it seems to go on forever, but that's GOOD: it gives you a real sense of the colossal weight of the sight and the moment. It's similar in scale to the lengthy destruction of the Roger Young towards the end of STARSHIP TROOPERS.

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    posted 05-15-2000 11:20 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    If Ed Wood had lived, and been given this kind of money, this is surely close to what he might have produced.

    But isn't the money factor one of the main reasons WHY we love Ed Wood's movies? If he had had money, there would be no cardboard sets, no hubcap flying saucers, no trees in nursery bags.

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    posted 05-15-2000 02:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Andy Dursin posted his review at the FSM site today. Here it is:

    BATTLEFIELD EARTH (No Stars): John Travolta, attired in dreadlocks and acting like the Squire of Gothos, give an appropriately over-the-top performance in this wretched, godawful, virtually unwatchable adaptation of L.Ron Hubbard's sci-fi novel, depicting the futuristic plight of humans shackled by a group of ugly-looking aliens who have taken over the planet. If you thought DUNE was terrible, thought HOWARD THE DUCK was a bomb of extraordinary magnitude, trust me... you haven't seen anything until this mega- size flop.
    Saying this movie is every bit as bad as its reputation would have you believe is almost being kind. The script, performances, cinematography and direction are so literally skewered that it must be seen to be believed (and can someone explain why almost EVERY shot is tilted at an angle?). However, if you do feel the urge to check it out, do yourself (and us) a favor and be a good movie-going Samaritan: buy a ticket for a movie that deserves the cash, show up early for BATTLEFIELD: EARTH, and watch the first 25 minutes of this mess. It'll be just about all you will be able to take, and not supporting this movie will do all of us the favor of hoping Travolta will keep his producing prowess to himself the next time (heaven forbid there is one!) around. (PG-13)

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    posted 05-16-2000 07:47 PM PT (US)     

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    H Rocco: "I can't speak for the novel, which I haven't read..."

    I don't think that the movie went "over the edge" ENOUGH! If you've read the book, then you would know that Travolta's (and the script's) version of Terl wasn't even close to being as nasty as the character is in the book. Terl is evil, Evil, EVIL! (read sinister). His scheming never ended. He had schemes within schemes within schemes. I know only so much could be shown on screen, with a 2 hour run time. The elapsed time that passes in the movie only seems like a few days, at the most. In the book, all the events that took place in the movie, were spread out over several years. To me, THAT's what made the effect of the movie come up short. It seemed that there was only about 40% of the first half of the book in the movie. Hmmmm....maybe they'll "learn" a little bit and it'll come together a little bit better for the 2nd part.

    I think it was an admirable attempt..... I was entertained.

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    posted 05-22-2000 08:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Battlefield Earth is officially a boxoffice failure in the USA. Its opening weekend barely racked up $12 million, and after it's second weekend, it has dropped to #6 and has only grossed $18 million.
    With all of the hot summer competition yet to come, this one will sink really fast.
    It may do well overseas...many films that are B.O. disasters in the USA make billions elsewhere.
    It will be interesting to see what happens.

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    posted 05-22-2000 09:09 PM PT (US)     

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    Like Dune, Battlefield Earth is one of those films that SHOULD have been made into either (a) a miniseries or (2) a full on television series or (third) not bothered with at all cinematically.

    Having read the book, I was STILL confused by the story line.

    I was bored within the first 10 minutes.

    I was deafened by the constant shots of the psychlo ships whizzing by the oddly-tilted cameras.

    Although, like his H'ness, I laughed incesantly at things that shouldn't have been funny...and simply forwned at things that WERE supposed to be funny (and just got annoyed with the wench with the tongue).

    The novel is incredibly dense, with a LOT of thigns happening over a great period of time. It made those pesky human animals flying F-4 Phantom jets at least marginally believable...Kerr was much more sympathetic and Terl much more evil, not campy.

    Is it me, or has there been a trend of late to make what could be interesting and/or terrifying characters campy? Sleepy Hollow with the bumbling Johnny Depp comes to mind.

    I thought the film was positively HORRIBLE, but I must agree once again with his H'ness regarding a movie he mentioned briefly: STARSHIP TROOPERS. Certianly the acting left a LOT to be desired in that film, but the storyline and the parallels between the Allied/Axis conflict known as WWII cannot be denied (down to the hokey newsreel propaganda films meant to seduce young people into giving up their lives for a meaningless (at least in the long term) cause.) An EXCELLENT film with an equally wonderful Poledouris score. Cmiral's score for BE has some good moments and I do like it. Pity I can't say that about the movie itself.

    NP Damien Omen II - (some guy...hahahaha)

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    posted 05-23-2000 08:27 AM PT (US)     

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    Christopher: Although the movie is so poorly lit as to LOOK cheap, it probably would have cost nearly a hundred million dollars to make and market, had Travolta not knocked his price down. Now it cost more like 70-80 million. As a consequence, it probably WILL break even overseas -- the Asian markets, in particular, don't seem to care how good or bad the action movies are or aren't. And Travolta is still a big enough star to bring in the "curiosity" audiences in Europe and, presumably, South America (I know much less about how their boxoffice works.) Then once ancillary rights (video, DVD) kick in, it's money in the bank. Travolta was wise to keep his price down; he owns a bigger piece of the back end as a consequence, and so will probably see more money off it than the studio will. It's a weird business. But Travolta is a notoriously good businessman, who was able to continue living rich even when his name was boxoffice mud.

    starblade: I had a definite SENSE of Terl's schemery, which is why I said he seemed to be a potentially great villain role. And so I concur with Mr. InSanDiego that the project would have been infinitely more viable as a miniseries (they learned to fly the planes in SEVEN DAYS?)

    But I disagree with him about the acting in STARSHIP TROOPERS. Except for the vapid Denise Richards, I thought the young actors were fine. There was something monochromatic (or monomaniacal) about their performances, but ditto their characters -- the adults weren't much different, just handled by ace vets like Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown. (Nifty cameos by Rue McClanahan and Marshall Bell, too, and I liked the subtle sarcasm of the inducting officer with the missing leg: "We need all the pilots we can get! ... Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today!")

    The thing is, the acting in ALL of Verhoeven's films tends to be kind of stylized, and the work of the five veteran actors above, who are certainly capable of subtler acting, suggests that Verhoeven encourages a particular kind of approach, a borderline hysteria at times, but which I thought was quite appropriate to the project. (Think as well of the baddies in ROBOCOP, especially Kurtwood Smith -- I love his "Guns, guns, GUNS!" moment -- that was a part originally slated for Ironside, in fact, but he walked off because he hated Verhoeven. I guess they made up, he's in TOTAL RECALL too.)

    Paradoxically, though, star power being what it is, the picture would have done twice the money if it were, say, Tom Cruise (although he's too old for it) instead of Casper van Dien. (As if Cruise would have done it. No way, I'm sure. Too much like TOP GUN and too many bugs to compete with.)

    As I said, it's a weird business.

    I'm certain there will be no cinematic sequel to BATTLEFIELD EARTH, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a syndicated TV spinoff. Every dumbass SF movie ever released seems to be getting one of those, these days.

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